wgombar

Immanuel Kant sez....

Kant's answer to the question is complicated, but his conclusion is that a number of synthetic a priori claims, like those from geometry and the natural sciences, are true because of the structure of the mind that knows them. "Every event must have a cause" cannot be proven by experience, but experience is impossible without it because it describes the way the mind must necessarily order its representations. We can understand Kant's argument again by considering his predecessors. According to the Rationalist and Empiricist traditions, the mind is passive either because it finds itself possessing innate, well-formed ideas ready for analysis, or because it receives ideas of objects into a kind of empty theater, or blank slate. Kant's crucial insight here is to argue that experience of a world as we have it is only possible if the mind provides a systematic structuring of its representations. This structuring is below the level of, or logically prior to, the mental representations that the Empiricists and Rationalists analyzed. Their epistemological and metaphysical theories could not adequately explain the sort of judgments or experience we have because they only considered the results of the mind's interaction with the world, not the nature of the mind's contribution. Kant's methodological innovation was to employ what he calls a transcendental argument to prove synthetic a priori claims. Typically, a transcendental argument attempts to prove a conclusion about the necessary structure of knowledge on the basis of an incontrovertible mental act. Kant argues in the Refutation of Material Idealism that "There are objects that exist in space and time outside of me," (B 274) which cannot be proven by a priori or a posteriori methods, is a necessary condition of the possibility of being aware of one's own existence. It would not be possible to be aware of myself as existing, he says, without presupposing the existing of something permanent outside of me to distinguish myself from. I am aware of myself as existing. Therefore, there is something permanent outside of me.


"Human reason is by nature architectonic." Immanuel Kant 1781

mitchthephoneman

WARNING TO SD WILSON & WAYNE.........
you are being awarded the most boring & dull posts....

STOP MIXING YOUR VALIUM & PROZAC WITH YOUR VIAGRA...its effecting your thinking... :P :casstet: :laugh:

jeffmoss26

I thought we were phone guys, not philosophers!

SD_WILSON

Mitch! It's only boring if you take it seriously!!!! Philosophy and humour go hand in hand. Where there is laughter ther is the Tao. The problem with Kant and all other Western philosophers is that they let their experiences be limited to their 5 senses and thought (which is by nature verbal). You need no words to experience a the sweetness of a strawberry. I think Wayne is truly enlightened but he's just faking humble unenlighenment. Whe I see him in his dragon state I will know for certain!!! Ooops! My karma just ran over someone's dogma.... gotta go!!!

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wgombar

Mitch,

You must understand the hourly rate mentality here, as long as the BOSS see us
sitting in fromt of the 'puter hammering away we have created the illusion of us
being busy so we don't end up being micro-managed...

Besides it isn't Prozac, its Zoloft and Heineken.....

WITH A BIG FAT DOOBIE THROWN IN FOR GOOD MEASURE......


WOOOO-HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wgombar

So we should return to the initial question here:

Oh hell, the Engineers song is soooo much funnier...


An engineer before he died
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
and i've no reason to belive he lied
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum

about a woman with a C*** so wide ,
that she was never satisfied
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum

So he build a prick of steel
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
So he build a prick of steel
driven by a bloody great wheel


Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum


Two great balls were filled with cream
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Two great balls were filled with cream
And the whole bloody thing was driven by steam


Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum

Round and round went the bloody great wheel
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Round and round went the bloody great wheel
In and out went the prick of steel


Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum


Down and down went the level of cream
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Down and down went the level of cream
Up and up went the level of steam

Till at last the maiden cried
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Till at last the maiden cried
Enough,enough, I’m satisfied


Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum


Now, we come to the tragic bit
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
Now, we come to the tragic bit
There was no way of stopping it

She was split from arse to tit
Barum-titty-ty-ty-tun-tun-tum
She was split from arse to tit
And the whole bloody issue was covered in shit

wgombar

And it gets better...

The Engineers' Drinking Song

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CHORUS:
We are, we are, we are, we are, we are the Engineers,
We can, we can, we can, we can demolish fourty beers,
Drink rum, drink rum, drink rum, drink rum, Drink rum, and come along with us,
For we don't give a damn for any damn man, Who don't give a damn for us.

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Godiva was a lady who through Coventry did ride,
To show all the villagers her pretty bare white hide.
The most observant man on earth, an Engineer of course,
Was the only one to notice that Godiva rode a horse.

She said "I've come a long, long way, the man will go as far,
Who takes me off this goddamn horse and leads me to a bar."
The men who took her off her horse and stood her too a beer,
Were a blurry-eyed surveyor, and a drunken Engineer.

Godiva was a lady well-endowed there was no doubt.
She never wore a stich of clothes, just wound her hair about.
The first man who ever made her was an Engineer of course,
But an Artsie queer, on just one beer once made Godiva's horse.

Chorus

My father was a miner from the northern Malamute,
My mother was a mistress in a house of ill repute.
They kicked me out at a tender age and never shed a tear,
"Get out of here you son of a bitch, and join the Engineers!"

An Artsman and an Engineer once found a gallon can,
Said the Artsman, "Match me drink for drink, let's see if your a man"
They drank three drinks, the artsman died, his face was turning green.
But the Engineer drank on and said "It's only gasoline"

I happened once upon a girl whose eyes were full of fire,
Her physical endowments would have made your hands perspire.
To my suprise she told me that she had never been kissed,
Her boyfriend was a tired Engineering Scientist.

Chorus

Ceasar went of Egypt at the age of fifty three,
But Cleopatra's blood was red, her heart was warm and free,
And every night when Ceasar said goodnight at one o'clock,
A Roman Engineer was waiting just around the block.

Venus is a statue made entirely of stone,
There's not a fig leaf on her, she's as naked as a bone.
On noticing her arms were gone, an Engineer discoursed,
"the damn thing's busted concrete and should be reinforced."

A maiden and an Engineer were sitting in a park,
The Engineer was busy doing research after dark.
His scientific method was a marvel to observe,
While his right hand wrote the figures down,
his left hand traced the curves.

Chorus

My mother peddles opium, my father's on the dole.
My sister used to walk the streets, but now she's on parole,
My brother runs a restaurant with bedrooms in the rear,
But they don't even speak to me,
'cause I'm an Engineer.

Now you've hear our story and you know we're Engineers,
And like all good jolly fellows we drink our whiskey clear,
We drink to every fellow who comes here from far and near,
'Cause we're a HELL-OF-A, HELL-OF-A, HELL-OF-A, HELL-OF-A HELL-OF-AN ENGINEER!

gei_spot

You guys have WAAAY TOOO much time....

ok, if Peter Piper picked a.....

OH NO!.... you are not dragging me into this one

about the 'light bulb' IT"S A SWITCH!!! :laugh:

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SD_WILSON

:bncry:
Ah Wayne, you've brough a nostalgic tear to my eye!
You are my kinda guy!!


Scott D. Wilson P.Eng.

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