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Old 05-06-2008, 04:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Channels freezing - TDA 200

Hey Everyone. My company has been utilizing a TDA 200 PBX for over 3 years now. Recently, we pulled one of our T1's because we downsized and no longer needed the bandwidth. Since then we have been experiencing a nasty problem. I am working in collaboration with our Panasonic vendor (who is certified) and our voice/data service provider, but haven't had much luck. Now i'm turning to forums in desperation. Here's a breakdown of our problem.

We have a single PRI via a T1. It's fractionalized so channels 1-12 are data and 13-23 are voice. We used to have an additional PRI utilized solely for voice. When we pulled that additional T, our PBX crashed and my dealer had to reprogram it from scratch. When our call volume is at its highest, some of our channels will "freeze up" and don't seem to be released properly. So instead of having 11 available channels, we will only have 1 or 2 to receive inbound calls. This holds true even after everyone has hung up and no calls are active. The only thing that "unfreezes" them is cycling the ADTRAN unit where the T1 terminates in our switch room. We are all stumped as to what might be causing this. I'm fairly confident it's a programming error in our PBX, but my vendor doesn't seem to think so.

When running the ISDN protocol trace from maintenance console (v1.06h - i know it's an old version but it's all i have access to right now) i can see error "#44 Requested channel not available." Does anyone have any idea what could cause channels to freeze and not release properly? We only have a problem receiving calls when this happens, not making outbound.

I know all you certified deals charge good $ for this kind of stuff, and i don't expect a detailed reply. i'm looking for just a point in the right direction. I'm stuck in the middle between our vendor and our service provider, but i'm the one answering to our CEO ANY help even the slightest would be VERY appreciated!

Sorry for the long post...just trying to be as detailed as possible
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is it a T1 card or a PRI 23 card that you are interfacing with
a t1 and pri are 2 different animals as far as the panasonic is concerned
so your post is confusing without knowing how you are running
were on the east coast are you?who is your provider?
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Thanks so much for your reply! Sorry i should have mentioned it's a PRI 23 card, not a T1 card. Here's a breakdown of what hardware is in our switch if it helps...

slot 0: MPR(M) v1.0068
slot 1: LCOT8
slot 2: DHLC8 v1.009
slot 3: DLC16 v2.008
slot 4: DLC16 v1.009
slot 5: PRI23 (which is OUS since we pulled that T1) v1.006
slot 6: PRI23 (our remaining T1) v1.006
slot 7: SLC8 v1.002
slot 8: DLC16 v2.008
slot 9: idle
slot 10: OPB3 v3.001
slot 11: CTI-LINK v1.001

I seriously appreciate any advice you might be able to provide. Our service provider is Cooperative Communications based in NJ (as are we).
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OK then you don't have a T1 you have a ISDN PRI.
So how many channels are actually used for voice out of the 23?
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is there a csu/dsu beetween the t1 smartjack and the tda system?
if so, try bypassing it or replacing it. panasonic requests that you have a csu/dsu, but the t1/pri should work without it. that goes for a straight pri circuit, not sure about the fractional t1/pri. could be that the adtran is faulty.
back in 2005, i handled the phone system for nyc mayoral candidate "Freddy ferrer" campaign headquarters. they started having t1 lockups and cutoffs durring high traffic like your customer, we tried everything, with no luck. as a last resort i just bypassed the adtran csu/dsu and the problems disapearred. the t1 worked flawlessly without the adtran unit for the next 2 months when he lost and closed the office.
since you have a fractional pri, you might not be able to bypass the adtran but if resetting your adtran temporarily solves your problem then i would suspect that the adtran might be faulty. your dealer might be able to get an advanced replacement unit from adtran to swapp it out with.
if the problems happens only during high traffic, i doubt that it is faulty programming in the panasonic.
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they must have a iad if they are getting internet through the same
pri.
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hey guys thanks for the replies. im sorry for the delayed response. sorry for my confusion about the ISDN PRI vs T1...im still working on the terminology. we have 12 channels for data and 11 for voice. yes, there is an ADTRAN unit where the line terminates. im not sure of the specifics of the unit as im not on site right now but I can post that when I get back later. that unit is how we split the cicuit between voice and data as our router and pbx are connected to it.I have our vendor coming on site today as well as a tech from our provider to replace that unit. I've spent the last several days reviewing voice activity to look for a pattern, but the only thing that seems common is heavy inbound volume. reseting the adtran is the only thing that seems to release the frozen channels. the most difficult thing here is not being able to reproduce the problem in a controlled situation. we have spent many hours after hours blowing up the lines but have yet to trigger the problem. what is also odd to me is this does not limit our ability to make outbound calls. only inbound calls are affected.hopefully I will have some better info later today and will post as soon as I can. thanx again for all ur help and advice!
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its got to be how the iad is provisoned !
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