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Old 02-29-2008, 09:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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come on the tax payers should throw a s&%t fit....

Wheelchair ramp will cost $100,000 a foot

Where else but San Francisco City Hall could a 10-foot-long wheelchair ramp wind up costing $1 million?

Thanks to a maze of bureaucratic indecision and historic restrictions, taxpayers may shell out $100,000 per foot to make the Board of Supervisors president's perch in the historic chambers accessible to the disabled.

What's more, the little remodel job that planners first thought would take three months has stretched into more than four years - and will probably mean the supervisors will have to move out of their hallowed hall for five months while the work is done.

"It's crazy," admits Susan Mizner, director of the mayor's Office on Disability. "But this is just the price of doing business in a historic building."

Supervisor Jake McGoldrick said Tuesday that the issue went to the heart of liberal guilt that often drives the city's decision making. He also choked on the price tag, and asked that the board take some more time to come up with an alternative, like maybe just getting rid of the president's elevated seat.

The root of the problem dates back to when City Hall got a $300 million makeover in the 1990s that made just about every hallway, bathroom and office accessible to the disabled. The exception was the board president's podium, which is reachable only for someone who can climb the five steps from the chamber floor.

The understanding was that the room would eventually be made fully accessible. But no one worried about the podium until 2004 when Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier, who uses a wheelchair, joined the board.

City architect Tony Irons and representatives of the state Office of Historic Preservation - which had to be consulted to make sure the city was sensitive to the building's designation as a state landmark - were called in to take measurements.

Then preservation architects from the San Francisco firm Page and Turnbill worked up no fewer than 18 design options - at a cost of $98,000 - with ideas ranging from an electric lift to abandoning the president's lordly podium altogether.

No one could decide which design to use, so after a year of arguing, the Department of Public Works was ordered to make 3-D computer models of all the options.

The ramp won, which means lowering the president's desk, which means eliminating three of the "historic" stairs and tearing out Manchurian oak panels that are no longer available, which in turn will mean finding a historically correct replacement.

And because the ramp was going to encroach on the room's sound equipment, officials decided they might as well use the opportunity to upgrade the board chamber's entire audio-visual system, to the tune of $300,000.

Here's what else is going into the million-dollar ramp:
-- $77,000 for the city's Bureau of Architecture project manager, design and construction fees.
-- $455,000 for the actual construction, plus asbestos removal.
-- $28,000 for a construction scheduling consultant.
-- $3,500 for an electrical consultant.
-- $68,000 for the Bureau of Construction Management to oversee the construction and various consultants.
-- $12,000 for Department of Technology and Information Services oversight.
-- $16,500 for permits and fees. (Yes, believe it or not, the city charges itself.)
-- And as much as $65,000 for bid overruns.
All for a total of: $1,123,000.
And counting.

The supervisors considered signing off on the work Tuesday but put it over for another week. Even if the board gives its final blessing, however, construction of the ramp won't be completed before the end of the year - midway through Alioto-Pier's second and final term.
"I deserve equal access to every part of the chamber," Alioto-Pier told her colleagues, adding that ending discrimination is worth the $1 million.
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Old 02-29-2008, 10:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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But it doesn't end the discrimination, only in this one room of one building.

Sounds to me as though power has got to her head, unfortunately the people who pay their taxes have probably had very little say on this money being spent.
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Old 02-29-2008, 11:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Meanwhile, California is cutting school budgets by million$$$$, causing (among other things) hundreds of teacher layoffs. Yep, we have our priorities right.
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Old 02-29-2008, 02:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Proof that the private sector is better at pretty much everything than the government. While the city is pissing away $1,000,000.00 on a ramp for one person to use for a couple of years, Google is providing telephone numbers to thousands of homeless to help them communicate with employers and family.

'nuff said.
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Old 02-29-2008, 03:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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don't hear me wrong here as I do agree with accessibility but when they only do changes where people complain and spend that much money on one person (bus stop out back of my place as an example where they modified it for one person who complained as they are in a wheel chair and had troubles getting off the bus on the sidewalk to visit a friend in the neighbour hood) it does not make sense.

They could go though all the work and that one person could move or in this case not visit any more and the $ was wasted. If they want the services to be handicaped accessible, they should ensure all of their services can accomodate not just the ones that make a fuss about it.

To monkey's point, if you are going to do it, do it right.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:07 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Proof that the private sector is better at pretty much everything than the government.
The one place where I'm pretty sure that the government excels far beyond the private sector is giving itself a pay rise.
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Perhaps, but at least you don't see government workers getting paid $100,000,000+ salaries and $million+ bonuses. And getting this while driving their company into the ground (think Enron, etc.).
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Ummm, this is the only room that wasn't renovated and it had been lost in the stack of other city items for years. It came to surface 4 years ago and they have been attempting to work this problem of Historic versus Function of the room. The price would have been a lot cheaper if the room were not to be preserved for historic reasons.

Let's not lose site of the forest for the trees here guys. This is an all for one, one for all kind of concept that isn't new. If you or I can go in and out of a building then, that same building should be accessible to people that are differently mobile. If this were a new construction, these measures would be in place. Since they are attempting to retro-fit an existing structure, the price will go up 3Xs or even 4Xs. That is just the nature of construction.


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Ummm, this is the only room that wasn't renovated and it had been lost in the stack of other city items for years. It came to surface 4 years ago and they have been attempting to work this problem of Historic versus Function of the room. The price would have been a lot cheaper if the room were not to be preserved for historic reasons.

Let's not lose site of the forest for the trees here guys. This is an all for one, one for all kind of concept that isn't new. If you or I can go in and out of a building then, that same building should be accessible to people that are differently mobile. If this were a new construction, these measures would be in place. Since they are attempting to retro-fit an existing structure, the price will go up 3Xs or even 4Xs. That is just the nature of construction.


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Hmmmmmm, so if I were to use the same logic.... all cars / trucks / etc shall built to handle any and all "handicapped" drivers... just to be fair? No sense making them have to pay extra for a "special" modification just because they have some kind of handicap that mods have to made for? Yes, I agree, lets make everything accessable for everybody all the time no matter what the handicap might be. We all need gas and brakes on the steering wheel. We all need booster seats because we all are only 3 foot 4 inches short / tall. But we all also need very deep and waaaaay back seats since we are all 7 feet 9 inches tall / short. Darn, what about roller skates? Just how in the h3II do I make the roller skates fit the guy with no legs? BUT, we must do this to be "fair" to the handicapped. One more thing, what about this thing called .. "IQ"??? Lets make everybody have the same IQ and everybody can do any job and we all get the same pay since we want to be "fair". We all will make $200.00/hr so we can all be rich. Ahhhh, the perfect world is an idea I just don't think will ever happen. There wil always be a "defect" of some kind nobody ever thought about or maybe didn't even exist when a product was made. Shall we curse the egyptians since all the stones in the great pyramid are so big and heavy a person MIGHT hurt themselves if they tried to move one? I just don't think so. Every one of us is different from every one else. There is no way for everything to be made "perfect". Shall we curse GOD for making the trees so tall that if we fall out of one we might get hurt? Shall we require GOD to install a ladder WITH handrails on every tree? If so, we must not forget the handicapped that will NEED a ramp to go up the tree.

A handicap is just that, a handicap. I agree that some provisions should be made for the handicapped but there should be REASONABLE limitations on what is required to be done. Just because a handicapped person WANTS something done for them, there is no reason EVERYTHING must be done for them.

Geezzzz, they already get the good parking spots up close to the door!
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There was a debate similar this in Amsterdam about a decade or so ago. IIRC there were some basic updates being made to the Anne Frank house (like shoring up some loose stairs or something) and the "Let's all be fair" crowd started saying that it qualified as a remodel and had to fit building codes for the disabled. It was that or a bunch of overweight tourists complained they couldn't get up the very narrow stairs to see the hidden room. Either way, the city basically told them to STFU. There was no way they were shoving an elevator into the Anne Frank house.

bravo for the city.
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