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Old 06-07-2006, 08:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Teamwork (RANT) Am I the bad apple?

I work in a group of 12 people, some techs, some admin staff. Out of that 12 I consider 2 of them buddies as we hang out off hours - the rest of them I have little in common with or just flat out don't like and thus don't hang out with them on my free time.

About a year ago my boss changed the salutation on his group emails from "All -" to "Team -" honestly I really didn't care - then the little motiviational team sayings started appearing in his signature shortly after that they started showing on his office door and walls.

Now we're to the point where we're being asked to participate in off hours team building activities and the boss is finding that nobody really wants to but with the exception of myself and the other redneck nobody really wants to admit to why.

Am I wrong in my opinion that not wanting to spend my free time with each and every person that I work with is not only perfectly normal but healthy to a degree? Am I wrong that maybe we're the wrong kind of team to be worried about teambuilding activities? I am wrong because I simply don't like some people in the world and have little problem admitting it?
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Old 06-07-2006, 08:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Am I wrong in my opinion that not wanting to spend my free time with each and every person that I work with is not only perfectly normal but healthy to a degree?
NOPE unless theres over time pay
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Old 06-07-2006, 08:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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There lies the issue with some managers idea of teamwork. Teamwork cannot be successfully built if it is slammed down your throat. It can only be built by trust. Trust that your "team members" can be relied upon, and do their job. Though my department is small, due to one lackie that no one likes and it is obvious he does not do his job, we were force fed this "team" crap. I like my team... I am the only telecom guy and all telecom issue go directly to my team, me.
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Old 06-07-2006, 08:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No, you are correct. Friendships outside the workplace are healthy and normal. Your 'team leader's' plan may well backfire. Folks with real differences of opinion can tolerate each other fairly well in the workplace, but getting to know someone better can just as easily widen the differences and harden the dislike.
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Old 06-07-2006, 08:57 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I went out for beers one night (to kill time between jobs) with one of the coworkers who I never really cared for personally... this dude starts bragging about cheating on his wife now I really don't like him. Never would've found that out if I hadn't spend some off hours time with him - sometimes it's difficult for me to talk work things with him knowing this.
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Lets define "Team" and "All" first:

Team

n 1: a cooperative unit [syn: squad] 2: two or more draft animals that work together to pull something v : form a team; "We teamed up for this new project" [syn: team up]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

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[Middle English al, from Old English eall. See al-3 in Indo-European Roots.]

Usage Note: The construction all that is used informally in questions and negative sentences to mean “to the degree expected.” In the late 1960s, the Usage Panel rejected its use, but evidently resistance to all that is crumbling. Seventy-two percent of the Panel now finds the construction acceptable in the sentence The movie is not all that interesting. ·Sentences of the form All X's are not Y may be ambiguous. All of the departments did not file a report may mean that some departments did not file, or that none did. The first meaning can be expressed unambiguously by the sentence Not all of the departments filed a report. The second meaning requires a paraphrase such as None of the departments filed a report or All of the departments failed to file a report. The same problem can arise with other universal terms such as every in negated sentences, as in the ambiguous Every department did not file a report. See Usage Note at every.
Our Living Language Among the newest ways of introducing direct speech in the United States is the construction consisting of a form of be with all, as in I'm all, “I'm not gonna do that!” And she's all, “Yes you are!” This construction is particularly common in the animated speech of young people in California and elsewhere on the West Coast, who use it more frequently than the informal East Coast alternatives, be like and go, as in He's like (or goes), “I'm not gonna do that!” These indicators of direct speech tend to be used more often with pronoun subjects (He's all, “I'm not....”) than with nouns (The man's all, “I'm not....”), and with the historical present (He's all....) than with the past (He was all....). All of these locutions can introduce a gesture or facial expression rather than a quotation, as in He's all.... followed by a shrug of the shoulders. Be all and be like can also preface a statement that sums up an attitude, as in “I'm all ‘No way!’” See note at go1. See note at like2.


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I went out for beers one night (to kill time between jobs) with one of the coworkers who I never really cared for personally... this dude starts bragging about cheating on his wife now I really don't like him. Never would've found that out if I hadn't spend some off hours time with him - sometimes it's difficult for me to talk work things with him knowing this.
Sometimes it better to not know what your co-works do on thier off hours.

I like the people I work with very much, but some nights I can't wait to just go home.
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As techs we used to grill out at the local park for lunch everyonce in awhile - the boss heard about this and started making it mandatory for us to include the admin group so we were all one big team.

Usually everyone would pitch $5 - $10 in the pot for the food, one of the admin gals started bringing her 5 kids and a few of thier friends who would clean out the food before everyone who paid got to eat... naturally she didn't pay any extra for the extra people, this same person would also make the extra food dissappear without asking on the days when her kids didn't show up... oddly she is also the biggest whiner about how as a 'team' we don't do enough off hours things together which also gets the boss on the team thing.
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Old 06-07-2006, 10:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I am salaried, not paid by the hour. So when the clock stops I go home. After hours I hang out with the people I want to.

My boss does like team things but that is restricted to a once a week team phone call during working hours.

It is an advantage that my boss is in Norfolk and I am in San Diego. The rest of my team is in Norfolk, Boise, Oahu, and Quantico so having dogs on the barbie in the park is difficult.
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If the boss wants to call a "team" get together then make it a meeting and get paid for it. As far as I'm concerned I don't participate in any "afterhour" activities with my co-workers unless I'm getting paid or drunk. And there are very few that I will get drunk with.
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