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Old 08-25-2004, 04:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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We have a user who wanted a side phone in her office that had appearances of her extensions. She would use it for calls where a few people in her office need to participate in a conference call without them all huddling around her desk phone. Below is the programming of each. There are two problems:

1) The mirrored lines on each phone can not be active at once. One freezes up if the other one is picked up.

2) If a call is made between the two phones, both on speaker, there is horrible screeching feedback. The phones are approximately 10 - 12 feet apart.

Can anyone spot in this programming what might be causing these issues?

PHONE 1 (SIDE PHONE)

DES 2943
TN 020 0 11 11
TYPE 3904
CDEN 8D
CTYP XDLC
CUST 0
FDN 2500
TGAR 1
LDN NO
S`u*T0
RNPG 0
SCI 0
SSU 0500
LNRS 16
XLST
SCPW
CLS CTD FBD WTA LPR MTD FNA HTA TDD HFA GRLD CRPA STSD
MWA RMMD SMWD AAD IMD XHD IRD NID OLD VCE DRG1
POD DSX VMD CMSD SLKD CCSD SWD LNA CNDA
CFTD SFA DDV CNID CDCA MSID DAPA BFED RCBD
ICDD CDMD MCTD CLBD AUTU
GPUD DPUA DNDD CFXA ARHA CLTD ASCD
CPFA CPTA ABDD CFHD FICD NAID BUZZ AHD
DDGA NAMA
4Q RBDD RBHD PGND OCBD FLXD FTTC MCBN
CPND_LANG)ENG
RCO 0
HUNT 2500
LHK 2
PLEV 02
AST
IAPG 0
AACS NO
ITNA NO
DGRP
DNDR 0
KEY 00 SCR 2094 0 MARP
01 SCN 2942 0
CPND
NAME
XPLN 17
DISPLAY_FMT LAST,FIRST
02 SCN 3942 0
CPND
NAME
XPLN 17
DISPLAY_FMT LAST,FIRST
03 SCN 4942 0
CPND
NAME
XPLN 17
DISPLAY_FMT LAST,FIRST
04 ADL 16
05 MSB
06 ADL 16
07 ADL 16
08 ADL 16
09 ADL 16
10 ADL 16
11 HOT D 2239

PHONE 2 (PRIMARY DESK PHONE)

DES 2943
TN 20 0 03 05
TYPE 3904
CDEN 8D
CTYP XDLC
CUST 0
FDN 2436
TGAR 1
LDN NO
NCOS 6
SGRP 0
RNPG 8
SCI 0
SSU 0500
LNRS 16
XLST
SCPW
CLS CTD FBD WTA LPR PUA MTD FNA HTA TDD HFA GRLD CRPA STSD
MWA RMMD SMWD AAD IMD XHD IRD NID OLD VCE DRG1
POD DSX VMD CMSD SLKD CCSD SWD LNA CNDA
CFTD SFA DDV CNID CDCA MSID DAPA BFED RCBD
ICDD CDMD MCTD CLBD AUDU

GPUD DPUA DNDD CFXD ARHA CLTD ASCD
CPFA CPTA ABDD CFHD FICD NAID BUZZ AHD
DDGA NAMA
\SRD ULAD RTDD RBDD RBHD PGND OCBD FLXD FTTC MCBN
R(ND_LANG ENG
$L
BFTN 020 0 10 05
HUNT 2436
LHK 2
PLEV 02
AST
IAPG 0
AACS NO
ITNA NO
DGRP
DNDR 0
KEY 00 SCR 2942 0
CPND
NAME
XPLN 17
DISPLAY_FMT LAST,FIRST
01 SCR 3942 0
CPND
NAME
XPLN 17
DISPLAY_FMT LAST,FIRST
02 SCR 4942 0
CPND
NAME
XPLN 17
DISPLAY_FMT LAST,FIRST
03 BFS 020 0 10 05
04 ADL 16
05 MSB
06 ADL 16
07 ADL 16
08 ADL 16
09 ADL 16
10 ADL 16
11 HOT D 2239
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1) The mirrored lines on each phone can not be active at once. One freezes up if the other one is picked up.
Change the SCR/SCN appearances to MCR/MCN respectively. To do this, you will have to remove the SCR/SCN appearances first from both sets and then reprogram as MCR/MCN or else you will get an error message.

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2) If a call is made between the two phones, both on speaker, there is horrible screeching feedback. The phones are approximately 10 - 12 feet apart.
Sounds normal. You are creating a feedback loop between the two phones. If one of the phones is muted, then the "screeching" should stop.
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If I make the lines MCR/MCN, then both phones won't be able to be on the same call though, will they? What the user wants is basically a situation where the second phones acts as an extension phone in your home would. You could just pick up and punch in on the same line she's on on HER phone and you could all talk.
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Build an analog version of the # you want both sets to simultaniously be on. By doing that it will allow you to be on a call and the other set to pickup on that call. You shouldn't have to do any special programming to the analog set, or even have it hooked up.
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Wildman -

You should change the sets to a CLS of POA (Privacy Override Allowed). No action is required by the users, the second set will automatically be allowed to pickup the active line.

Not sure if this will solve the Feedback issue (never called the person next to me on the speaker phone)..

If it doesn't - you may have to do something kinda 'funky'...

Leave both sets with CLS of HFA - Turn one sets speaker volume all the way up (so that the room can hear the conversation) and turn the others speaker volume all the way down.

If you still get feedback - then you will need to 'physically' disconnect one of the speakers.....

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Build an analog version of the # you want both sets to simultaniously be on. By doing that it will allow you to be on a call and the other set to pickup on that call. You shouldn't have to do any special programming to the analog set, or even have it hooked up.
Should you be able to do this with the Boss / Secretary Feature?
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The feedback does not come from 2 speakers, it comes from a speaker and an open mic. You will not be able to elimiate the feedback problem this way.

POA in CLS is the proper way to get both phones off hook at the same time. The phone is not 'locked' or 'frozen' the way you have it now, the privacy feature of the switch is preventing someone from picking up th eother line.
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Helpful hints for end users

Try looking into a feature called group listening, GRLA in the COS. It's availible on 3902, 03 and 04 phones. With GRLA the speaker is active but the mike is disabled. Once GRLA is allowed in the COS use the Option key on the 3900 set to turn Group Listening on. The people at the phone with GRLA can hear via the speaker but because the mike is disabled there should be no feedback.

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