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Old 12-16-2003, 08:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Are you familiar with the the concept of a "straw man" ?
In a debate, it is generally defined by assigning a weak and easily refutable opinion to the side with whom you disagree, so you can yammer on about how right you are, and ignore any complexities associated with the subject.
Was oil (and our access to it) a factor. Of course it was. I notice by your location that you travel alot. Would you and/or your company make a profit if gas was $6.00 a gallon. Very similar to these suburbanites living in ex-cornfields in 500g's plus houses complaining about urban sprawl.
Do we own the oil? We want access to it. We want the Iraqi's to begin to
produce it again so they can pay for their own darn reconstruction. We want a stable global economy. But we are not stealing the oil as you insinuate.
The largest "straw man" about how "we" "never" talk about Saudi Arabia. I personally hear a discussion of it regulary. I'll give you that it's not eveyday. The nature of the daily news is about "what's right now".
To say it's been covered up is B.S. . Dealing with the Saudi government brings it's own set of complexities based on our previous relationship, what we want (for our own good) out of them, and what we (realistically) think we can get them to do without killing them all. You insinuate that everything is black and white, there are no complications or real world limitations on our influence. This stuff doesn't play in a frickin vaccuum.
Two weeks ago I saw a bunch of talking heads on CNN saying Iraq aint
over 'till we get Sadaam. Well we got him and people are still b*tchin' up a storm. As far as Osama goes, does it stink that we haven't captured him? I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone of any political persuasion say that it doesn't. We are trying as hard as we can. He is hiding with goats in caves where our fancy "stuff" doesn't give us the advantage we usually have. Am I to understand that all foriegn policy actions and reactions should cease until Osama is captured ? Good Plan.
Sadaam Hussien killed hundred of thousands of his own people and 'dozed some of 'em, Nazi style into mass graves. This is a fact.
Here's another classic, "we used to be friends with him". We chose the lesser of two evils in the 8 year Iran/Iraq war (anybody out there old enough to remember 44 American hostages held by what country?). Choices like this reflect decision making in the real world not a vacuum
(broken record). We attacked Iraq because of 9/11,because of the situation in the Middle East, because we didn't finish the job in 91, because of terrorist camps, because of WMD (let's no forget, even President Clinton agreed he had 'em ,if your going to crow 'till the cows come home because we haven't found them yet, crow on my friend, crow on.) We are not a perfect country, you take the cards that are dealt and you play them. I am 41 years old and I have never in my life seen so much hatred of country by our own citizens. Loving your country is similar to love for anyone or anything. You don't love it because it's perfect. If you don't think that this is the best country in the world, I certainly would say you should do some research. The people of this country are loving,smart,loyal, and a real can-do bunch. God Bless Bill Clinton. God Bless George Bush. Your hatred is misguided. It is coming from some other issue in your life. And for all you Bush haters. I happen to think he's doing the best he can, which at this point is pretty darn good, and I am not stupid, nor malevolent, nor snooty, so take some time to acknowledge there may be other opinions out there that come from the other side.

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