| Exactly, I thought you needed to plug the phones into the 60/12. So can the phones stick themselves into a voice or special VLAN on their own or do you trunk to the phone from the switchport? What phones usually get deployed? Do they make their own? thanks, CallManager Express was awful the first few times we put it out. Router Jocks rejoice, it's all IOS based with a gui for MAC's. __________________ Deus ex machina |