| Charles P ? Is that for Peckham? Did you work out of Minneapolis for a while? Back to the conversation..... There is a misconception on the part of most people that somehow having a CCIE, CCNP, CCNA or anything CC qualifies yout o kno anything about the IP Tel products. It does not. CallManager Unity and IPCC do not run IOS and do not use routing protocols, so it floors me when anyone compares knowledge of IP Telephony with Cisco Certs. The only one that applies is the CCVP and you never find anyone with one of those. Back to "the simple T1" Your "Cisco Guy" is clueless if he couldn't get a T-1 up. More than likely he was a data guy and configured the router as such or tried doing too much before getting the connection up. How in the world is four digit dialing an issue?? Seriously, would the product really really be able to compete in the slightest if it couldn't do 4 digit dialing between systems? honestly.... Charles, I'd be interested to hear more. Shortel is obviously worrying to the local Cisco office, they talk about how to beat them a lot. I watched a presentation on it, but it sounded like you needed to buy Shortel infrastrucure to plug the phones into which sat between the phones and the data infrastructure. Thus my notes. If there is a way to use existing infrastrucutre, I'd like to know. Thanks __________________ Deus ex machina |